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it's not just grover norquist, it's the club for growth and other entities that do that. understand what direction these people leading the party in. they concede the republican party is a fundamental congressional and oppositional force. the whole point of the pledge is to say someone else is acting, and you are laying down in advance how you react. there's no plan you're going to act or leading. if the republican party is a presidential party again and it's lost the majority of the vote in five of the six past presidential elections, it has to think in an entirely different way to make commitments to different groups of voters. >> what about on cuts, james is this this is an interesting comment. dick durbin has been on the show and he's so rational and open to compromise. he was open to closing loopholes and not raising rates. he's a rational man, and he said yesterday that democrats shouldn't be talking about cutting social security. here he is. >> social security does not add one penny to our debt. it's a separate funded operation. medicare is another story. only 12 y
it's not just grover norquist, it's the club for growth and other entities that do that. understand what direction these people leading the party in. they concede the republican party is a fundamental congressional and oppositional force. the whole point of the pledge is to say someone else is acting, and you are laying down in advance how you react. there's no plan you're going to act or leading. if the republican party is a presidential party again and it's lost the majority of the vote in...
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i have to say something about grover norquist first. i tell you what, i like grover norquist. you don't have to agree with him, but i'm amused by him. my favorite grover norquist story when i covered congress in 2005 and 2006, somehow i did a story about politicians who were active as student politics at colleges. i think he had been or he had some thoughts on him. i called him up for a quote, and he didn't let me done. i didn't get the question out of my mouth about student body presidents. anybody who is a student body president ought to be drowned. >> wow, strong feelings. >> did he sign an oath to that in that regard? >> the thing go grover, he's an entertaining guy and he does wield a lot of power. not as much as people said, but chuck todd said he's a symbol of absolutism. dan, what i wanted to ask you about is something else coming into the picture here in these negotiations is the debt ceiling. if that's going to be -- we're going to sort of come up against that a couple months into the new year, not at the same time as this fiscal slope. obama said to boehner he wants
i have to say something about grover norquist first. i tell you what, i like grover norquist. you don't have to agree with him, but i'm amused by him. my favorite grover norquist story when i covered congress in 2005 and 2006, somehow i did a story about politicians who were active as student politics at colleges. i think he had been or he had some thoughts on him. i called him up for a quote, and he didn't let me done. i didn't get the question out of my mouth about student body presidents....
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to grover norquist. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. i made tennesseeans aware, the only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i take when i'm sworn in this january. >> when i go to the con stech wents that have re-elected me. >> the pledge is for that congress. if i remember in congress in 1941, i would have signed a declaration of war against japan. the world has changed. >> but grover norquist does not think this world has changed. for republicans, who signed his pledge. >> are you going to want to exact punishment on them in two year, what? >> two things. there have been some, the folks whose pictures you put up there, some have engaged in impure thoughts. they haven't actually voted for a tax increase. we could ask president bush how his second term went after he broke his pledge. did he damage the pledge or by breaking his pledge, he lost a second term for the presidency. >> and this morning, even fox and friends were getting all philosophical about till death do us part pledges. >> i think you get into really difficult situations i
to grover norquist. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. i made tennesseeans aware, the only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i take when i'm sworn in this january. >> when i go to the con stech wents that have re-elected me. >> the pledge is for that congress. if i remember in congress in 1941, i would have signed a declaration of war against japan. the world has changed. >> but grover norquist does not think this world has changed. for republicans, who signed his...
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. >> grover norquist. >> you speak of grover norquist. >> he's an entertaining warrior. >> pledge mentality is really on the run right now. >> speaker boehner clearly wants a deal. >> he can't have one arm tied behind his back. >> the top 1%, only 42% of the wealth. >> 48.5 million people lived below the poverty level. >> we should ask the wealthy to start paying their fair share. >> the american sense of fairness, no one should pay more than 25%. >> today's republican party has imploded. >> they are in denial. >> they are looking for someone to blame. >> grover is no longer speaking for the party. >> they may not be willing to just die on this hill anymore. >>> good evening. i'm ezra cline in for lawrence o'donnell. the craziest thing is happening in washington right now. you've probably heard of the fiscal cliff or as lawrence likes to call it, the fiscal curve or as my friend calls t the austerity bomb. whatever you would like to call it, it does not look like it's going to happen. it doesn't just look like we're going to avoid a crisis. at this moment today, and this can change, it look
. >> grover norquist. >> you speak of grover norquist. >> he's an entertaining warrior. >> pledge mentality is really on the run right now. >> speaker boehner clearly wants a deal. >> he can't have one arm tied behind his back. >> the top 1%, only 42% of the wealth. >> 48.5 million people lived below the poverty level. >> we should ask the wealthy to start paying their fair share. >> the american sense of fairness, no one should pay...
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grover norquist -- grover norquist. we use this board to compare car insurance rates side by side so you get the same coverage, often for less. that's one smart board. what else does it do, reverse gravity? [ laughs ] [ laughs ] [ whooshing ] tell me about it. why am i not going anywhere? you don't believe hard enough. a smarter way to shop around. now that's progressive. call or click today. [ grunting ] but don't just listen to me. listen to these happy progressive customers. i pluggein snapshot, and 30 days later, with snapshot, i knew what i could save before i switched to progressive. the better i drive, the more i save. i wish our company had something this cool. you're not filming this, are you? aw! camera shy. snapshot from progressiv test-drive snapshot before you switch. visit progressive.com today. ♪ lou: new york city police commissioner ray kelly tends to stay out of politics of any sort, so surprising when he enters the fray and this time at the expense of the president. a determined advocate of gun cont
grover norquist -- grover norquist. we use this board to compare car insurance rates side by side so you get the same coverage, often for less. that's one smart board. what else does it do, reverse gravity? [ laughs ] [ laughs ] [ whooshing ] tell me about it. why am i not going anywhere? you don't believe hard enough. a smarter way to shop around. now that's progressive. call or click today. [ grunting ] but don't just listen to me. listen to these happy progressive customers. i pluggein...
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. >> grover norquist, he wanted ground government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> medicaid, social security. >> this is not part of the conversation. we're not going to raid social security. just another fight in washington. >> there's going to be blood and hair and eyeballs all over the floor. >> i'm more positive thap most. >> if not, we go off the supposed cliff. >> the fiscal cliff or slope. the bump of various height. >> it's going to sell that fiscal cliff. >>> thelma and louise might need to make room in the car for the president of the united states. at the white house today, senior obama administration officials met with liberal leaders and union officials. "the washington post" reports that one told him after the meeting, quote, would the white house go off the cliff if it's between that and compromising their core principles? i was left with the impression that they would. illinois democratic senator dick durbin spoke today at the liberal center for american progress where he said this about the possibility of going o
. >> grover norquist, he wanted ground government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> medicaid, social security. >> this is not part of the conversation. we're not going to raid social security. just another fight in washington. >> there's going to be blood and hair and eyeballs all over the floor. >> i'm more positive thap most. >> if not, we go off the supposed cliff. >> the fiscal cliff or slope. the bump of various height. >>...
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that's what grover norquist is. let's be clear. the reason why the club for growth has so much power because of the connection with the funding. so i have to think and the polling has shown that the majority of republican voters actually want to see social security intact, medicare and medicaid intact, and not a spending only deficit reduction package. so there is a degree to which the donor class that sets the agenda in our current washington between the campaign finance rules, the lobbying rules, the donor class is setting the agenda and the donor class is more upset about the deficit even than the republican base. >> the last word to richard wolffe, give us your best guess of the date that this deal gets done by? >> i think it gets done early. they want to go home, they want to have christmas at home. the timing and sequencing of when things come into effect is optics but this deal gets done i'm going to say middle of december. >> all right. we will be watching. for the richard wolffe prediction. i want to thank everyone on the
that's what grover norquist is. let's be clear. the reason why the club for growth has so much power because of the connection with the funding. so i have to think and the polling has shown that the majority of republican voters actually want to see social security intact, medicare and medicaid intact, and not a spending only deficit reduction package. so there is a degree to which the donor class that sets the agenda in our current washington between the campaign finance rules, the lobbying...
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grover norquist's pledge. but now with the fiscal cliff looming, lawmakers who were once staunchly against raising revenues seem to be changing their tone a little bit. and grover norquist's influence may be fading fast. >> fewer and fewer people are signing this pledge. >> the pledge is dead. >> i'm not saying it's dead but i am saying the majority of members of congress see the fiscal cliff we want to sit down and we want to get something worked out. >> if you appropriate some of the money you achieved by eliminating deductions and loopholes to the national debt, even though that may technically violate the pledge, sign me up. that's a reasonable accommodation for a republican to make. >> jennifer: for the record, that was senators john mccain and lindsey graham so the question is this grover norquist's last stand? here with an answer is donnie fowler. donnie of course, democratic strategist and great political operative. welcome back into "the war room." is it grover norquist's last stand? >> we can only ho
grover norquist's pledge. but now with the fiscal cliff looming, lawmakers who were once staunchly against raising revenues seem to be changing their tone a little bit. and grover norquist's influence may be fading fast. >> fewer and fewer people are signing this pledge. >> the pledge is dead. >> i'm not saying it's dead but i am saying the majority of members of congress see the fiscal cliff we want to sit down and we want to get something worked out. >> if you...
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we'll talk to grover norquist. where this is heading. >>> my one on one interview with the legendary tony bennett. he's not slowing down after six decades in show business. his new documentary, new album and his new memoir. plus his real hobby which is painting. we're back in a moment. and with photo stream, you can share all the photos you want, with just the people you want. it's as easy as pie. mmmm..pie. i have a cold, and i took nyquil, but i'm still "stubbed" up. [ male...
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grover norquist's tax pledge could be history. and all eyes are now focusing on house republicans as talks to avoid going over that so-called fiscal cliff are picking up steam. joining me now, mark halperin, senior political analyst for "time" and msnbc and ruth marcus, columnist and editorial writer for the "washington post." to you, mark, what is your read about what we've been hearing the last couple of days about grover norquist, the pledge and how much running room the speaker does have to b negotiating a deal. >> i did a spit take with my fruity pebbles watching "morning joe" because eric cantor's tone was unlike anything i've ever heard. his office is saying oh, no, he's against raising marginal rates, but it's clear that in the scheme of things, the biggest piece is does john boehner have enough running room to strike a deal involving some new revenue. i still am of the belief that the vote in the house, which will be a cliff hanger no matter what happens amongst the leaders in the white house, it will be a tough vote. i t
grover norquist's tax pledge could be history. and all eyes are now focusing on house republicans as talks to avoid going over that so-called fiscal cliff are picking up steam. joining me now, mark halperin, senior political analyst for "time" and msnbc and ruth marcus, columnist and editorial writer for the "washington post." to you, mark, what is your read about what we've been hearing the last couple of days about grover norquist, the pledge and how much running room the...
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should the gop dump grover n norquist's tax pledge? lindsay writing when many took this pledge they were in i different time and place. they shouldn't be bound by a pledge that was right for a certain time period. in order to fix our economic problems, all options need to be on the table. >>> susie kaplan writes individual signatures so individual decisions. congress' allegiance is to all people, not one. and this is from mazy, if they are just for the ones he wants them to serve, they should not be in office. thank you for all your facebook and twitter responses there. >>> this week the supreme court may consider whether to take on cases relating to marriage inequality including a challenge to california's proposition 8. the high court's rule follows election day victories in four states for same-sex marriages. activists are trying to keep up that momentum. they're going ahead, looking at seven more states they believe they can legalize the issue in by 2014. their effort also include ace powerful new tv ad from the human rights campai
should the gop dump grover n norquist's tax pledge? lindsay writing when many took this pledge they were in i different time and place. they shouldn't be bound by a pledge that was right for a certain time period. in order to fix our economic problems, all options need to be on the table. >>> susie kaplan writes individual signatures so individual decisions. congress' allegiance is to all people, not one. and this is from mazy, if they are just for the ones he wants them to serve, they...
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joining us now to talk about it all, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. grover, thanks very much for coming in. >> good to be with you. >> the trend we're seeing now from members of congress questioning or pushing back on the pledge. we've seen it before to a certain degree, but we're seeing a lot more of it i sense right now. there's a sense this movement is gaining some steam. is this just more of the same, in your opinion, is there something different going on right now? does any of this surprise you? >> well, so far, what we've seen is the same people who two years ago got in front of tv cameras and said let's make a deal when it was the simpson-bowles proposal, when it was the budget control act, because of the debt ceiling. it's the same collection of people with the same sort of statements. so i don't see any movement towards republicans wanting to raise taxes or people wanting to break their pledge. in fact, to be fair to everybody, some of these people have had impure thoughts. no one has pulled the trigger and voted for a tax increase. >> i know
joining us now to talk about it all, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. grover, thanks very much for coming in. >> good to be with you. >> the trend we're seeing now from members of congress questioning or pushing back on the pledge. we've seen it before to a certain degree, but we're seeing a lot more of it i sense right now. there's a sense this movement is gaining some steam. is this just more of the same, in your opinion, is there something different going...
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this morning in a breakfast with politico, mike allen was talking to grover norquist about this and grover norquist responded saying certain republicans are having impure thoughts about the fact that they would go ahead and break that pledge. take a listen to part of that breakfast meeting. >> i sounds like republicans are less afraid of you now. are you like frosty? are you melting, losing your power before our very eyes? >> no. two things are both fictions. one is the scenario that republicans were afraid of americans for tax reform and me personally and they took the pledge because i told them to. that's colbert territory, that's harry reid, that's what they say. that's nonsense. people take the pledge. the reason why most republicans and a handful of democrats take the pledge is that they don't intend to raise taxes. >> wouldn't it be good if our leaders were not signing pledges like this and actually voted with what their stilts wanted? >> absolutely. yeah. it would be good. it's funny what an election will do. a lot of republicans are seeing the handwriting on the wall instead of the
this morning in a breakfast with politico, mike allen was talking to grover norquist about this and grover norquist responded saying certain republicans are having impure thoughts about the fact that they would go ahead and break that pledge. take a listen to part of that breakfast meeting. >> i sounds like republicans are less afraid of you now. are you like frosty? are you melting, losing your power before our very eyes? >> no. two things are both fictions. one is the scenario...
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norquist might say, or maybe it means the gig is up, grover. not so fast. see, mr. norquist, a powerful lobbyist, has long had a lock on nearly every republican in congress. he's the guy who keeps reminding us that george h.w. bush lost the election after violating his read my lips no new taxes pledge. >> if you want to go to your voters and say, i promised you this, and i'm breaking my promise, you can have that conversation with them. but you don't have an argument with me. you've made a commitment to your voters. >> still, democrats are heartened by the new grover is over mini movement. although they shouldn't do the happy dance just yet, because republicans will want payback, as in medicare, medicaid and social security. so for all of you who want tax hikes on the wealthy, what are you willing to give up in return on social security, raising the retirement age to 70, on medicare, a total revamp, as in instead of the government paying your medicare bills, you pay them with help from the government. you tell me. "talkback" question for you, w
norquist might say, or maybe it means the gig is up, grover. not so fast. see, mr. norquist, a powerful lobbyist, has long had a lock on nearly every republican in congress. he's the guy who keeps reminding us that george h.w. bush lost the election after violating his read my lips no new taxes pledge. >> if you want to go to your voters and say, i promised you this, and i'm breaking my promise, you can have that conversation with them. but you don't have an argument with me. you've made...
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let's talk about grover norquist. no new taxes pledged. you said earlier in your career, you told cbs morning news earlier today, and i'm quoting now, you said you're not obligated on the pledge, adding the only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i take when i'm sworn in this january. so what exactly did you mean by that? did you suggest -- did you mean that under certain circumstances you would be ready to accept an increase in tax rates for the wealthy? >> well, i was just elected as you know, re-elected. and our campaign materials during the campaign spelled out that the only pledge i would be honoring would be the pledge of the oath of office that you make when you're sworn in. that's what my comments meant. i think republicans had shown a willingness to look at revenues as long as we have entitlement reform. i think those are the two ends of the spectrum. and it appears to me that speaker boehner has been shown flexibility in revenues and it appears to me the president has shown flexibility on entitlements. and the point of my op ed
let's talk about grover norquist. no new taxes pledged. you said earlier in your career, you told cbs morning news earlier today, and i'm quoting now, you said you're not obligated on the pledge, adding the only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i take when i'm sworn in this january. so what exactly did you mean by that? did you suggest -- did you mean that under certain circumstances you would be ready to accept an increase in tax rates for the wealthy? >> well, i was just elected as...
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as for grover norquist. he told soledad o'brien today, although some republicans are discussing impure thoughts on television, they won't really act on them. >> lindsay graham says i would raise taxes if, and then he lists this incredible list of reforms and entitlements that the democrats would never give him. as i suggested to him, i said, senator you're offering to trade a tax increase for a pink unicorn that doesn't exist. >> whether he does or doesn't bend on taxes, pundits here in washington seem terribly impressed that senator graham and others are talking about going against grover norquist. outside the beltway, most people don't know grover norquist from grover on sesame street. standing up to a lobbyist, even a powerful one is only washington progress, not real progress. first step, maybe even a necessary one. but only that, so is going on sunday talk shows as both republicans and democrats are doing. and talking about flexibility. >> let the rates go up to 39. let us also take a look at the deduct
as for grover norquist. he told soledad o'brien today, although some republicans are discussing impure thoughts on television, they won't really act on them. >> lindsay graham says i would raise taxes if, and then he lists this incredible list of reforms and entitlements that the democrats would never give him. as i suggested to him, i said, senator you're offering to trade a tax increase for a pink unicorn that doesn't exist. >> whether he does or doesn't bend on taxes, pundits...
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let's listen to what grover norquist had to say. [video clip] >> the commitment he made to the people of georgia was not to me. it was a commitment to the people of georgia that he would go to washington to reduce government spending and to reform government and not raise taxes. if he wants to change his mind and become a tax increaser so we don't have to reform government, need to have that conversation with the people of georgia. he talks about my plan to increase debt, the only plan i think i supported is the paul ryan deal, which reduces the deficit, pays down the debt, does not raise taxes, and it is a written plan that senator chambliss actually voted for. so i think they caught him on a tv station and he said something scraps that did not make sense. >> have you thought about changing the pledged in any way? >> again, i cannot change the pledge, because t it is,o me. it is not like people are promising this to me. >> it was your group. everybody associates the pledge with new. but that is very kind of them. republicans and de
let's listen to what grover norquist had to say. [video clip] >> the commitment he made to the people of georgia was not to me. it was a commitment to the people of georgia that he would go to washington to reduce government spending and to reform government and not raise taxes. if he wants to change his mind and become a tax increaser so we don't have to reform government, need to have that conversation with the people of georgia. he talks about my plan to increase debt, the only plan i...
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they are finding out that nobody voted for grover norquist. it's time to start acting in the interest of the country, as lindsey graham said. you can't do it by capping deductions. as bill clinton said, the math does not add up. unless you specify the deductions that you want to get rid of or the ones that we need to reduce, they are the ones that are massively unpopular. >> governor, what i think lindsay graham was saying is that the reductions and deductions would be on the higher income earners. you wouldn't tell somebody who is in the middle class that they can no longer take their mortgage deduction. >> no, i understand that. but the math, as bill clinton says, when you do just that, it doesn't added a up. >> we have to have rates -- >> we have to have -- anyone who is really serious and has looked at it knows that it doesn't added a up. tell us the deductions that you're talking about. that was mitt romney's biggest problem. and then i think it's also important to note that we've got to do something about military spending. we spend more
they are finding out that nobody voted for grover norquist. it's time to start acting in the interest of the country, as lindsey graham said. you can't do it by capping deductions. as bill clinton said, the math does not add up. unless you specify the deductions that you want to get rid of or the ones that we need to reduce, they are the ones that are massively unpopular. >> governor, what i think lindsay graham was saying is that the reductions and deductions would be on the higher...
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doesn't that change the playing field in a way that grover norquist must not be happy with? >> well, i think too much emphasis, eliot is put on grover. i think people forget the fact that republicans are just genetically against raising taxes. i think grover's pledge and grover's efforts may maybe reflect the reality of the republican viewpoint. the majority of republicans who still feel raising taxes is detrimental, especially if we're trying to get the economy going. this has become the grover issue because that is convenient and interesting. and he's an interesting character. but the fact is republicans i think at their core and conservatives certainly are against it. i think the speaker moves with very -- he's in a tough position. on the one hand, he seems to be wanting to make a deal but on the other hand they have to remember there are primaries coming up in a couple of years and the economy may very well turn things around begin. we've been living in a pendulous situation where things go backward and forward. patience probably on the part of the republicans is probabl
doesn't that change the playing field in a way that grover norquist must not be happy with? >> well, i think too much emphasis, eliot is put on grover. i think people forget the fact that republicans are just genetically against raising taxes. i think grover's pledge and grover's efforts may maybe reflect the reality of the republican viewpoint. the majority of republicans who still feel raising taxes is detrimental, especially if we're trying to get the economy going. this has become the...
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a number of republicans are finally putting limits on their no tax pledge and telling grover norquist to get lost. but remember, there's only one of those people in the houpts. >>> keeping home and change alive. president obama's aits are hoping to keep the campaign going and use their new leverage at the polls to bin the fight for higher taxes against the wealthy. >>> this is "hardball," the place for politics. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. >>> get ready for some more partisan agendas in the state governments across the country. that's because some january at least 37 states will be under single party control. 37 of them. with one party holding both houses of state legislatures and the governorship. and that's the la
a number of republicans are finally putting limits on their no tax pledge and telling grover norquist to get lost. but remember, there's only one of those people in the houpts. >>> keeping home and change alive. president obama's aits are hoping to keep the campaign going and use their new leverage at the polls to bin the fight for higher taxes against the wealthy. >>> this is "hardball," the place for politics. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help...
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they're off the hook with grover norquist who is a formidable force with primaries on their side. >> congressman defazio, thank you for your time. i hope we have an opportunity to talk with you as the clock ticks. thank you, sir. >>> this bill would provide more visas for foreign workers and would make it easier for green cardholders to bring family into the country. gop leaders and the senate also say they're ready to get serious about immigration reform. senator john mccain, the latest voice calling for a comprehensive bill but nbc contributor rah ult reyes says the gop is in no position to take the lead. he writes the democrats won the election and with it the right to set the original d.r.e.a.m. act as the starting point for our immigration debate. raul is with us right now. so why are you not impressed by any movement or the movement that the republicans are promising to make? >> you have to remember that the d.r.e.a.m. act as the last version that we knew of it, it was already quite watered down from the way it started out. for example, they narrowed the age restrictions and el
they're off the hook with grover norquist who is a formidable force with primaries on their side. >> congressman defazio, thank you for your time. i hope we have an opportunity to talk with you as the clock ticks. thank you, sir. >>> this bill would provide more visas for foreign workers and would make it easier for green cardholders to bring family into the country. gop leaders and the senate also say they're ready to get serious about immigration reform. senator john mccain,...
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this pledge, this grover norquist pledge, how important is it to the republican party? >> i think it's very important. >> do you think it's important for people who signed the pledge to keep it? >> i think it's important to remember the problem we have which is a spending problem and, frankly, i think we look at it in terms of any family. if your family is going into debt, the first thing you do is say, hey, dad, get a second is job and raise more revenue. you look at the family budget and say how do we cut? where do we get back? once that's done, we are still a little short to pay down the debt, how can we bring in more revenue? so i think before -- for a lot of these members of congress who have committed to saying the problem is spending, we need to reform our out-of-control entitlements, that's where the focus should be. >> the base of the democratic party going to allow the president some leeway on this? >> we need to have everything on the table. let's be clear. >> social security? >> s ocial security is not contributing to the current debt or the deficit. social
this pledge, this grover norquist pledge, how important is it to the republican party? >> i think it's very important. >> do you think it's important for people who signed the pledge to keep it? >> i think it's important to remember the problem we have which is a spending problem and, frankly, i think we look at it in terms of any family. if your family is going into debt, the first thing you do is say, hey, dad, get a second is job and raise more revenue. you look at the...
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>> well, look, grover norquist is my friend. and we talk, you know, political strategy and politics, this is my position. it was given in private, and when it was asked it was laked by somebody. again, that's fine. not going to say one thing to you that is different than i would say to my own constituents in oklahoma. this is what i tell them. congressman what should we ought to do. i'm one voice. i'm not king of the universe. i support my conference. trying to do the right thing, i support my speaker. in this case, the democrats and president are trying to use the tax issue. instead, they ought to be coming to the table with real spending cuts, entitlement reform and compromised proposals. so far, they haven't done it. >> tom cole, thank you for joining us. >> wolf, thank you. >> joining us, republican senator rand paul of kentucky. senator thanks for coming in. let's get to the so-called fiscal cliff. the president has set a goal. $4 trillion in debt reduction over the next decade. are there any specific ways of reaching that
>> well, look, grover norquist is my friend. and we talk, you know, political strategy and politics, this is my position. it was given in private, and when it was asked it was laked by somebody. again, that's fine. not going to say one thing to you that is different than i would say to my own constituents in oklahoma. this is what i tell them. congressman what should we ought to do. i'm one voice. i'm not king of the universe. i support my conference. trying to do the right thing, i...
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a number of republicans are finally putting limits on their no tax pledge and telling grover norquist to get lost. but remember, there's only one of those people in the house of representatives. >>> keeping hope and change alive. president obama's aides are hoping to keep the campaign going and use their new leverage at the polls to win the fight for higher taxes against the wealthy. >>> this is "hardball," the place for politics. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. >>> get ready for some more partisan agendas in the state governments across the country. that's because come january at least 37 states will be under single party control. 37 of them. with one party holding both houses of state legislatures and the governorship. and that's the largest number of states under single party control in 60 years. 24 of those 37 states will be controlled by republicans
a number of republicans are finally putting limits on their no tax pledge and telling grover norquist to get lost. but remember, there's only one of those people in the house of representatives. >>> keeping hope and change alive. president obama's aides are hoping to keep the campaign going and use their new leverage at the polls to win the fight for higher taxes against the wealthy. >>> this is "hardball," the place for politics. [ male announcer ] this december,...
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their shift in position has grover norquist vowing to help unseat any republican who breaks his taxpayer protection pledge. the question tonight is whether this is a larger trend or whether republicans are just testing the waters and two men who know about testing the waters, politicking and actually meaning what you say join me now. david frum and james carville, you have been on every side of this. let me start with you though david. republicans talking about raising revenue by closing loopholes. as opposes to raising tax rates. you can get a heck of a lot of revenue that way. is this smart for them r or not? >> republicans are going to be yielding ground, but they have to avoid seemingly yielding ground underressure. president has a strong hand. they have to keep their party together. frankly, i think loopholes are the wrong place to -- so-called loop homes, meaning deductions for home mortgage, are the wrong place to look for new revenue. the place is look is with different kinds of tax sources. not by making it more difficult for people to work save and invest. >> wow, adding even m
their shift in position has grover norquist vowing to help unseat any republican who breaks his taxpayer protection pledge. the question tonight is whether this is a larger trend or whether republicans are just testing the waters and two men who know about testing the waters, politicking and actually meaning what you say join me now. david frum and james carville, you have been on every side of this. let me start with you though david. republicans talking about raising revenue by closing...
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this famous pledge sponsored by grover norquist. conservative to say the least seemed to throw in the towel, providing maybe some cover for some republicans here. let me read to you what they said. if taxes are going up anyway because the bush tax rates expire and republicans can stop them from going up as much as they otherwise would, then pledge-takers deserve some credit for that. mr. norquist says it violates his pledge to eliminate deductions without lowering rates but at the current economic and political moment it is also a service if republicans prevent tax rates from going up. providing some cover there. have republicans effectively caved on the idea of raising revenue? >> i don't think republicans have caved on anything related to taxes. we do have to remember that it is possible to bring in more revenue without raising taxes. any time you stimulate economic growth that's going to bring in more revenue. i want more revenue because i want more economic growth. that's the best way to bring in more revenue, to fund government
this famous pledge sponsored by grover norquist. conservative to say the least seemed to throw in the towel, providing maybe some cover for some republicans here. let me read to you what they said. if taxes are going up anyway because the bush tax rates expire and republicans can stop them from going up as much as they otherwise would, then pledge-takers deserve some credit for that. mr. norquist says it violates his pledge to eliminate deductions without lowering rates but at the current...
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that's 170 guys breaking grover norquist's pledge. and that could be a primary suicide mission, joe. >> it could be. >> unless they figure out how to change -- that's why boehner's so desperately trying to come up with a way of saying look, we'll get you the same amount of revenue. we'll find it another way. just don't make us raise tax rates because he doesn't have the votes for that. he doesn't know how to get those votes. >> explain that. he can get it, perhaps, say by closing the loopholes? >> because he can make a more populist argument. you don't want these -- they're getting away with -- they're getting away with sort of chicanery inside the tax code. we're going to get rid of that. >> how about raising the capital gains tax 5%? >> well, i think that's -- that's something, if republicans are serious about that, i have a feeling the white house would be open to that. the white house -- you know, it's funny. both of them have drawn true lines in the sand in this that we haven't paid a lot of attention to. the white house said the
that's 170 guys breaking grover norquist's pledge. and that could be a primary suicide mission, joe. >> it could be. >> unless they figure out how to change -- that's why boehner's so desperately trying to come up with a way of saying look, we'll get you the same amount of revenue. we'll find it another way. just don't make us raise tax rates because he doesn't have the votes for that. he doesn't know how to get those votes. >> explain that. he can get it, perhaps, say by...
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i think grover norquist sell by date has passed. and obama has already put entitlement reforms on the table in his private negotiations with boehner a year ago, and i think that we're going to get a deal. we may go over the cliff for a week or two weeks or whatever, but i'm optimistic there's going to be a deal. >> there's some talk that going over the cliff wouldn't be the worst thing in the world because at least for republicans everyone's taxes would have gone up without a vote and they're voting to cut taxes. >> the president's leverage goes up closer to that date, george. exactly because the taxes all go up, at that moment, then he's just negotiating about how much to cut them back down and i suspect that as they get closer to the date the republicans are going to look at the president's leverage post-january 1 and think they may not want to go that way. there's a second element that comes into this which is that once you're past that date, it's very bad for the markets as matt said, but it may not be an immediate effect on the
i think grover norquist sell by date has passed. and obama has already put entitlement reforms on the table in his private negotiations with boehner a year ago, and i think that we're going to get a deal. we may go over the cliff for a week or two weeks or whatever, but i'm optimistic there's going to be a deal. >> there's some talk that going over the cliff wouldn't be the worst thing in the world because at least for republicans everyone's taxes would have gone up without a vote and...
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it's not the best of time for grover norquist. here's stephen colbert. >> obama's answer to taxes is to raise taxes on the wealthy because he ran on that promise and won the elections. it's like he's totally disregarding my dismisses ive finger quotes. what part of this don't you understand? president obama? republicans might let him do it, even though every republican in congress has signed the no taxes pledge, created by the president of americans for tax reform, grover norquist. the two most terrifying words a republican can hear, other than buenos dias. >> seems like republicans are having an easier time writing off norquist than appealing to latinos. >>> which former gop candidate got a nod on the cbs show "ncis:los angeles" last night? one of the detectives on last night's episode gave us a throwback to a certain candidate's tax plan. >> huh? look at all those center hits. nine, nine, nine. should change my name to herman cain. >> yeah? i think it's more like peewee herman. read them and weep. >> you know what? these targets
it's not the best of time for grover norquist. here's stephen colbert. >> obama's answer to taxes is to raise taxes on the wealthy because he ran on that promise and won the elections. it's like he's totally disregarding my dismisses ive finger quotes. what part of this don't you understand? president obama? republicans might let him do it, even though every republican in congress has signed the no taxes pledge, created by the president of americans for tax reform, grover norquist. the...
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we are joined by grover norquist , president of americans for tax reform. i have to ask you. how does it feel to be a bully of lawmakers? i like this part especially, anti-tax sell at. the logical extremists. to find yourself is really being pointed that as the problem, not part of the solution here suddenly. how do you feel that? >> well, look. harry reid had a plan. he and obama and nancy pelosi were going to spend a great deal of money, and then they were going to turn to the republicans and say, okay. why don't you be responsible and raise taxes, put your finger prints on a tax increase to pay for our bigger government. republicans said no. harry reid has had a hissy fit for four years now, i'm happy the republicans would not raise taxes to pay for is bigger government. the problem is the american people don't want their taxes raised. lou: what i asked was how you feel? >> i am pleased as punch. harry reid, at having a hissy fit at me, he's really mad at the american people for not wanting to raise taxes. he personalizes it with me. lou: what about those folks like senato
we are joined by grover norquist , president of americans for tax reform. i have to ask you. how does it feel to be a bully of lawmakers? i like this part especially, anti-tax sell at. the logical extremists. to find yourself is really being pointed that as the problem, not part of the solution here suddenly. how do you feel that? >> well, look. harry reid had a plan. he and obama and nancy pelosi were going to spend a great deal of money, and then they were going to turn to the...
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a growing number of republicans are slowly backing away from grover norquist's anti-tax pledge. saying they're open to letting revenues rise if democrats do their part in the budget talks. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece, and republicans should put revenue on the table. i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for that congress. for instance, if i were in
a growing number of republicans are slowly backing away from grover norquist's anti-tax pledge. saying they're open to letting revenues rise if democrats do their part in the budget talks. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece, and republicans should put revenue on the table. i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> a pledge...
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however grover norquist is threatening those who do so. let's hear what he had to say. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. you've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. the pledge is not for life but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than, than, than two years or something. >> there you had grover norquist from the americans for tax reform who has spearheaded this no tax pledge. the fact of the matter is, zoraida, to reach an agreement there's going to have to be compromise, whether that means increasing taxes on some, whether that means changing entitlement reform, both sides are going to have to come to the table to try to reach an agreement. >> mark, can you remind folks how long ago that pledge was signed? >> this goes back years and years and years for many of these lawmakers in congress. they tend to be conservative. it's a very simpl
however grover norquist is threatening those who do so. let's hear what he had to say. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. you've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. the pledge is not for life but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than, than, than two years or something. >> there...
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grover norquist is having to defend himself after several prominent senate republicans indicated a willingness to break his famous pledge, arguing republicans who agree to tax hikes just like they did under president bush. >> it is important that the republicans don't have their fingerprints all over the murder weapon, their fingerprints all over a lousy budget deal with tax increases and no real spending, just as happened to republicans in 1990 which cost us the presidency in '92. >> "the wall street journal" defends norquist today writing, quote, the voters are smart enough to know that republicans who focus on mr. norquist are part of the problem. interesting calling out those republicans by the wall street editorial. norquist is a bit of a media creation. remember this. he's an easily digestible symbol of ideological purity. the people who actually police that purity are groups like the anti-tax, pro economic growth club for growth. it's barely been three weeks since senate republicans wrapped up another losing cycle where thanks to candidates like missouri's todd akin or indiana's richard
grover norquist is having to defend himself after several prominent senate republicans indicated a willingness to break his famous pledge, arguing republicans who agree to tax hikes just like they did under president bush. >> it is important that the republicans don't have their fingerprints all over the murder weapon, their fingerprints all over a lousy budget deal with tax increases and no real spending, just as happened to republicans in 1990 which cost us the presidency in '92....
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there's nothing you see over the next 35 days that would have you break that pledge with grover norquist? >> no, because raising taxes harms the economic growth. you get ten times the revenue by economic growth rather than punishing success. and, again, all of us are saying president obama, show us your plan for restraining the size of government, that's the main problem. again, his revenue proposal would raise $68 billion when we have over $1 trillion worth of deficit. where's the other $1 trillion in his balance plan? mr. president, show us your plan. >> sir, one thing, mitch mcconnell has said that revenue is on the table as long as entitlements would be on the table. conducting a fly-in lobbying day there in washington, d.c. this is where union leaders from 33 states are going to pressure their representatives to let the bush tax cuts expire and keep social security out of the fiscal cliff negotiations. lawmakers are being presented with this written letter in part by richard trumpka who is the president of that. accusing republicans of holding the economy hostage in that letter sayi
there's nothing you see over the next 35 days that would have you break that pledge with grover norquist? >> no, because raising taxes harms the economic growth. you get ten times the revenue by economic growth rather than punishing success. and, again, all of us are saying president obama, show us your plan for restraining the size of government, that's the main problem. again, his revenue proposal would raise $68 billion when we have over $1 trillion worth of deficit. where's the other...
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it has nothing to do with grover norquist. it has to do with our word. remember, with this program t.a.g. is takes away our freedom, because good institutions that need to draw business from business don't need to do that anymore. if there's a government guarantee, it lowers the liberty and the choices for all. back to you, carl. >> all right. rick, something to think about. talk to you in a few moments. can't wait for sheila bair with you in a few minutes. we're heading to ohio's 8th district, home of john boehner. do his constituents think they're being faithfully represented. is he rising above as some say? why men might be the new women when it comes to retail. we have the controversial piece when "squawk on the street" comes back. n you take a closer . ...at the best schools in the world... ...you see they all have something very interesting in common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a result, their students achieve at a higher level. let's develop more stars in education. let's invest in our teachers... ...so
it has nothing to do with grover norquist. it has to do with our word. remember, with this program t.a.g. is takes away our freedom, because good institutions that need to draw business from business don't need to do that anymore. if there's a government guarantee, it lowers the liberty and the choices for all. back to you, carl. >> all right. rick, something to think about. talk to you in a few moments. can't wait for sheila bair with you in a few minutes. we're heading to ohio's 8th...
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and grover norquist, the latest republican to break with norquist, no tax hike pledge. chambliss says he cares more about the country than the pledge. >>> and superstorm sandy has cost new jersey more than $29 billion. and the number could easily rise. governor chris christie says the number will only be known after taking into account next summer's tourist season. new york governor cuomo asking for $38 billion, to help with his state's recovery. >>> and after topless photos of the duchess of cambridge. the photos showed kate sun bathing with her husband on vacation at a private home in france. a french newspaper published the photos, the couple is reportedly taking legal action. >>> and was o.j. simpson actually responsible for nicole brown simpson and ronald goldman's murders? new evidence suggests that o.j. simpson was not the killer. >>> but first, were you the one of many who snatched up a good deal on a flat screen tv on this black friday? you might be surprised to find out that your good-bye may have been made in the old good old usa. christine roman shows us one
and grover norquist, the latest republican to break with norquist, no tax hike pledge. chambliss says he cares more about the country than the pledge. >>> and superstorm sandy has cost new jersey more than $29 billion. and the number could easily rise. governor chris christie says the number will only be known after taking into account next summer's tourist season. new york governor cuomo asking for $38 billion, to help with his state's recovery. >>> and after topless photos...
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who is grover norquist, talk to me about this pledge. it is not just about raising taxes, is it not? >> it is not just about raising taxes. this is a pledge that is spearheaded by activist grover norquist, a popular figure on the right and he basically is -- most members but not all members of congress on the republican side to sign this pledge which basically says they're not going to increase tax rates and also if they close deductions they would use that money to lower taxes in another area. after seeing republicans break, where they're saying, listen, we're willing to close tax loopholes to reduce the deficit, now we haven't yet seen that from congressional republican leaders, but we obviously are seeing it from prominent republicans you showed including senator graham and senator bob corker. >> question about two of those gentlemen here in a moment. cnn this morning talked to grover norquist, incumbents dare to break this pledge, dare to vote to raise taxes. the question was will he do it again? here's norquist. >> we would certainl
who is grover norquist, talk to me about this pledge. it is not just about raising taxes, is it not? >> it is not just about raising taxes. this is a pledge that is spearheaded by activist grover norquist, a popular figure on the right and he basically is -- most members but not all members of congress on the republican side to sign this pledge which basically says they're not going to increase tax rates and also if they close deductions they would use that money to lower taxes in another...
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. >> unfortunately, there's one obstacle standing between congress and compromise, grover norquist. for years, norquist has bullied lawmakers willing to put their oath of office or promise to serve constituents ahead of their pledge to this anti-tax zell lot. >> the washington democrats, every dollar that's ever been secured for anything is sacred. every dollar secured for anything is sacred. and they'll defend it to the death regardless of what it means for jobs, or the economy. >>> coming up here, the it's top economic adviser alan krueger. clashes in cairo today, more protests in tahrir square against egypt's president morsi. we'll have a live report. move over george clooney the on yan's kim junge un the sexiest man alive and beijing doesn't get the joke. good day, i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. no joke today on capitol hill. ambassador susan rice's attempt to clear the air with republicans over benghazi did not work as the white house had hoped. senators mccain, ayotte and graham say they have more questions than they had before rice's comments about benghazi. >> we ar
. >> unfortunately, there's one obstacle standing between congress and compromise, grover norquist. for years, norquist has bullied lawmakers willing to put their oath of office or promise to serve constituents ahead of their pledge to this anti-tax zell lot. >> the washington democrats, every dollar that's ever been secured for anything is sacred. every dollar secured for anything is sacred. and they'll defend it to the death regardless of what it means for jobs, or the economy....
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grover norquist, americans for tax reform. good morning to you. >> sure. bill: harry reid, what do you think about that? >> well, only senator harry reid of nevada could pack that many lies into something quite that short. look, the taxpayer protection pledge as harry reid well knows is a commitment by senators and congressmen to their constituents, not to me personally, reid tells that lie over and over again, a commitment to their constituents that when they come to washington they will reform government and spend less money, rather than raise taxes. when harry read says that the commitment of those republican senators not to raise taxes is an impediment he means it's an impediment to raising taxes so obama and reid can keep spending money. reid has been supportive of every one of barack obama's wasteful spending programs e. wants to raise taxes to pay for it. you heard from van hollen earlier they are not interested in cutting any spending at all. they want to koeupbt as their contribution to budget he restraint, democrats. cuts already in law and 800 b
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and republicans would be freed from this pledge with grover norquist. no longer would they be voting to increase taxes. we would be giving them limited opportunities to vote to cut taxes for middle income, working families and others who need it and deserve it. unfortunately, they wouldn't get the vote on restoring the bush-era rates for millionaires and billionaires for a total of dividends down to 15% or even back to the capital gains rates of clinton era or maybe back to the reagan era. we could talk about significant revenues that would not impact or hurt 98% of the people in this country. >> eliot: i think your logic is impeccable. i'm one of those saying for a long time let them expire. our hand only gets stronger as we go forwards january 1 and after. after january 15th, you can retroactively fix anything done between the expiration and the date that you pass a new bill. it's not as though these changes are permanent, and beyond correction by congress. >> in fact, the irs said they couldn't get new withholding tables for the new tax rate before m
and republicans would be freed from this pledge with grover norquist. no longer would they be voting to increase taxes. we would be giving them limited opportunities to vote to cut taxes for middle income, working families and others who need it and deserve it. unfortunately, they wouldn't get the vote on restoring the bush-era rates for millionaires and billionaires for a total of dividends down to 15% or even back to the capital gains rates of clinton era or maybe back to the reagan era. we...
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he agrees with grover norquist that the tax rates shouldn't be increased and says norquist is wrong capping deductions to buy down the debt. >> graham has been saying raising taxes to give politicians more money to continue spending doesn't solve any problem at all. it's not a piece of solving the problem. >> allowing tax cuts to expire generate average of $82.4 billion a year and would run the government for 8.5 days. the reality is similar to what romney laid out in the campaign. my plan is bring down rates and deductions at the same time so revenue stays in. we bring down rates to get people working. >> they are meeting with ceos, caterpillar and goldman sachs and other key players on the fiscal issues. erskine bowles, coauthor of the simpson-bowles plan, they want the business community to hear their ideas after president obama met with ceos two weeks ago. a big deal should include spending cut and reforms. >> chief white house correspondent ed henry is reporting that both sides cannot agree on whether they are still talking. >> the republicans suggest fiscal talk hit impasse and demand
he agrees with grover norquist that the tax rates shouldn't be increased and says norquist is wrong capping deductions to buy down the debt. >> graham has been saying raising taxes to give politicians more money to continue spending doesn't solve any problem at all. it's not a piece of solving the problem. >> allowing tax cuts to expire generate average of $82.4 billion a year and would run the government for 8.5 days. the reality is similar to what romney laid out in the campaign....
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therefore, that's what the country wants. >> well, look, this is not about grover norquist. this is about the path that the republicans should be taking. look, there are two key, core, sacred principles at stake here at play for the republicans. one is not to raise taxes and the other is cutting spending. if senator chambliss wants to go down the road with the democrats, he's welcome to it, but there will be a price to pay, especially in the very conservative state of georgia. he will likely be primaried and likely lose -- jon: you think he gives up his seat if he goes for this? >> probably, because he is in a conservative state. but remember, the problem here is not a revenue problem. the democrats have dominated the narrative in talking about tax rates and how we're going to raise revenue, but the more important part of this calculation is spending. you don't -- if you get spending under control whether it's through entitlement reform, whether it's through cutting discretionary spending, you will bring this thing into line. now, you also have to do tax reform to get econom
therefore, that's what the country wants. >> well, look, this is not about grover norquist. this is about the path that the republicans should be taking. look, there are two key, core, sacred principles at stake here at play for the republicans. one is not to raise taxes and the other is cutting spending. if senator chambliss wants to go down the road with the democrats, he's welcome to it, but there will be a price to pay, especially in the very conservative state of georgia. he will...